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"Times of London" Touts Sibling Incest

March 22, 2009

By Henry Makow Ph.D.

From last July
, The Times of London has a permanent feature entitled, "I Had Sex With My Brother and I Don't Feel Guilty" on its "Relationships" web page.

A woman described how from age 14, her brother,15, fondled her and at her age 17, began regular intercourse over a dozen years. Shockingly, the majority of the 600 plus  commenters said that since the sex was consensual, "felt right" and "no harm was done," it was OK.

The article is an example of how the Illuminati changes societal norms. It also illustrates that the "Establishment," which this newspaper has represented for over a hundred years, is not Conservative as commonly thought but Luciferian, i.e. Illuminati Satanic.

From the Marquis de Sade to Aleister Crowley, the Illuminati goal has been to deny the natural and moral order. "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" was their motto. Their goal is to re-engineer humanity to serve them by destroying the traditional family as a social institution.

"Do what you will and harm none! " Bill in Truro, Canada unconsciously echoed. "Not my place to judge you." Jana in Somerset: "I think as long as both siblings are willing and aware of what they are doing, it should be 'okay'."


Few readers recognized that this woman has been harmed. From an innocent age, her sexual feelings had been twisted to focus on her brother and not on her future husband and father of her children.

This article could be a Tavistock Psy op. It is "told to Joan McFadden" and reads like a  titillating romance novel: "I wasn't scared but I was surprised as [Daniel] started stroking me, though my overriding sensation was one of sheer pleasure...But it hadn't felt wrong and I certainly hadn't felt forced. Rather I felt Daniel had stopped long before I'd wanted him to."

Remember this is a girl of 14. After they began having intercourse, she admits she "had difficulty [being] physically intimate with anyone else" because "sex with Daniel was so amazing."

Her claim that this did not affect their sibling relationship does not sound credible: "Sometimes he initiated sex and sometimes I did, but in between times our relationship was as easy, relaxed and affectionate as ever."  This reminds me of the way they idealize/sanitize/peddle homosexuality. Indeed many readers compared incest to homosexuality before it became acceptable.

Eventually Daniel met his future wife "Alison" but he made a strange proposal to his sister. If she agreed, he would live with her instead and continue their sexual relationship. "I know this is meant to be wrong but I've never felt anything so right," he said. Nevertheless, after hours of discussion they decided against it, "parting in tears afterward." 

She has become an "academic" and is unmarried although she has met "Derek" and thinks he will be "a lasting relationship." She confides that it is "hard knowing that the one person you love above everything [Daniel] is out of bounds."

This woman indeed has been harmed. Do you think Derek (or any real man) would marry her if he knew she had sex and carried a torch for her brother? Any marriage  will be based on a major deception. What if Derek finds out after they have children? Another broken marriage?

The reader response (sampled here) shows that many people see sex purely as pleasure rather than part of marriage and procreation. As a result, they can't see that, both in social and personal terms, sibling incest is very damaging.


Along with homosexuality, the Illuminati will promote incest as another way to destroy the traditional family.  Break down the barrier to sibling incest and they will promote the parental variety, which they practice. (See my "Miley Cyrus, Pedophilia-The Next Frontier") The message is: have sex often with anyone but your future husband and father of your children.

The Times of London is owned by Rupert Murdoch, a Rothschild cutout. Leon Blum, another Illuminati cutout who became French Prime Minister three times famously wrote: "I have never discerned what there is about incest which is really repulsive. I merely note that it is natural and frequent for sister and brother to be lovers."  (Du Marriage, 1907)
An elite that had the national interest at heart would promote traditional family as the most natural, healthy and personally fulfilling way of perpetuating society. On the other hand, an elite secretly at war with society will do everything to destroy it.  A young woman will not dedicate herself to her future family if society (i.e. The Times of London) tells her it's ok to have sex with all and sundry, including her brother.

As this story shows, sex is a powerful bond, especially for a woman. Promiscuity of any kind decreases the chance of a successful marriage.

Today in the United States, 40% of all births are out of wedlock. That means close to half of the population will not have a stable, secure upbringing and the love and guidance of a father. The Illuminati is advancing its goal of replacing the nuclear family with the State, which will train people to serve it.

Christian values are being systematically replaced by those of an evil (Cabalist) secret society, called the Illuminati. Don't look for things to get better until these monsters are exposed.

Related: Germany Legalizes Pedophilia    and Germany & EU Encourage Incest/Pedophilia

First Comment:

As an incest survivor I am sensitive and observant to the satanic cult (I will not call them "Illuminati" because that means "the enlightened ones." They come from darkness) in power trying to desensitize society to the normalization of incest, child sexual abuse, and pedophilia. Not only in the manner that you write about, but I see it in TV commercials for diapers and other infant products. The commercial shows the infant naked on the potty seat, or rolling around naked, or its legs open in the diaper "discreetly" exposing its crotch area. The mothers in the commercial kisses their child on the lips and roll around with them, kissing their child's naked stomach in an erotic way.

Your article did not mention that nature has a way of telling human beings that degeneracy cannot be accepted. Subsequently, children of incest are often born with defects. Those who feel that incest between brother and sister (or brother/brother, sister/sister) is harmless, have no idea what kind of emotional pain and psychological malignancies can develop in the sibling who is the victim. After four decades, I am still healing from the effects of sibling incest in childhood. The human race can be so ignorant.

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Comments for " "Times of London" Touts Sibling Incest"

anon said (March 27, 2009):

The Ugly news is that 40% of the births in 2007 were to unmarried women. By contrast, in the 1950’s the unmarried birth rate hovered around 4% -- a tenfold difference. A large number of the unwed mothers and their children will require significant government financial support for unknown portions of their life-spans. And, despite claims for the delights of cohabitation and the joys of single motherhood by choice, the hard social science and economic realities are that children of unwed mothers – as a group – fare more poorly than their intact family counterparts on virtually all measures, including their eventual social and economic contributions to society. The prospects for this 40% of the Baby Boom II generation, based on social science research, would be worrisome in good economic times -- and likely will be worse in hard economic times. As they enter adulthood, these children are much more likely to become criminals and unproductive economically than children of married parents. As always, dads matter.

Carrissa said (March 24, 2009):

Regarding your latest entry about the Times of London article, detailing the woman who supposedly had a long term incestuous relationship with her brother - I'm probably not the only one thinking that the entire thing was made up. You noted that it "...reads like a titillating romance novel..." That's kind of the tip off, right there. Considering that the woman is never revealed, either in name or photo, it means anybody could be writing anything, and who would know the difference? (And actually, even if she was revealed in name or photo, I'm at a point where I wouldn't automatically believe that either! As I'll explain.) Truthseekers and "conspiracy" researchers are familiar with the way in which politics and news events are spun in the media, but I'm getting to the point where I really am questioning whether or not most of what we're seeing/reading/hearing in the media isn't just completely made up, with ghost writers and aliases, actors and actresses, the whole shebang. Especially when it concerns stuff like this Times UK column, where the agenda is multi-fold: Entertainment and distraction (the "oh no she didn't!" shocked response, then tsk tsk'ing about it with friends, family or coworkers, providing endless gossipy entertainment); social engineering (pushing various agendas, in this case incest, as you've outlined) and so on. For those sorts of things it makes sense that The Powers That Be would invent stuff out of thin air in their desperation to push their various agendas. And the language of the write up reads like a third rate romance/sex novel, which again, also kind of gives it away right there.

Previously I looked at stories like this, and the myriad of others like them in the media, as merely "people being stupid." I believed they were real, but it was just, you know....stupid people. People not like me. People with very different priorities and life experiences. Now I'm at a point where I'm going, You know, if TV tabloid talk shows like "Jerry Springer" and all the others that were so popular in the 90s were fake and scripted in order to generate viewers and $$$ advertising $$$ revenue, then who's to say that half of what we see and hear in the mainstream "respectable" media isn't also fake and scripted? Serving some sort of agenda? Be it $$$ revenue dollars $$$, entertainment/distraction, and social engineering? So that's the point where I'm at right now, and just wanted to pass that idea along for consideration. Things aren't always what they seem to be.......

Doc said (March 24, 2009):

This situation is exploding across the planet. As an OB-GYN physician, I see the female side of this problem daily. Less than one man per thousand is ever brought up on either statutory, or criminal rape charges. Many young boys who succeed with one sibling will go on to assault other female relatives as well. I knew a family in which incest was rampant between a teenage son, and his female relatives as young as five years of age. In later years all of his victims developed cervical cancer from having been exposed to the HPV virus at an early age, and all required a hysterectomy.

That sexual predator became a police officer where his lifestyle could remain hidden safely behind a badge. In later years, he raped the daughters the same way he had raped their mothers, but none of his victims had the courage to confront, or report him. They had no recourse, and he knew it.

KK said (March 24, 2009):

The following is my comment on that Satanist sow called Angelina Jolie:

Angelina’s father, Jon Voight, is basically a good guy, it is her mother who was the witch that picked up Jon and made him her “husband,” probably under the guidance of some evil people hidden somewhere. It is most likely that it was her mother who pushed her into abuse (by the father) to involve Jon in her occult practices.

The third point I would like to make is that among the women-witches scattered throughout the world and married to celebrities there is an abnormal number of French, i.e. Suzanne Mubarak (wife of the Egyptian President), Micheline Roquebrune (Sean Connery’s wife), Jaqueline Kennedy (JFK’s wife), to mention but a few.

I have always wondered why the French elite has always been the spoiled child of the Freemansonry and Zionist Jews the world over. In connection to this, the fact that they sold us huge lies like “the French cuisine is the best in history,” “Good clothing habits come from Paris,” “The French know how to live (implicitly meaning: WASP is Barabarian),” “Liberty came from France,” “French girls and ladies are the most beautiful in the world,” etc. The illuminati have even selected the French system for metric, weight and measures as the global one (see they’re putting foot, inch, pound and all things Anglo-Saxons out)....

Angelina Jolie never tires of glorifying the French revolution and everything French, including sorcery and occultism. She’s quite right, it is no wonder that Paris is the world’s capital of "banking occultism." From Africa I have noticed that the French-speaking countries are strongly marked with Freemansonry compared with the English-speaking ones; Dubai, the only princedom of UAE under total control of the illuminati, is French-oriented and so is Saudi Arabia’s regime since 1975, since King Faisal was assassinated; both John and Bob Kennedy were shot down by the Mossad-French secret service; Lebanon’s pro-Israel elite is pure French hens; Turkey, the country with the highest number of Freemasons in the Islamic world, is historically linked to France rather than to Anglo-Saxons; Saddam Hussein, that illuminati pawn who prepared Irak to the Zionist invasion, never stood against France, yet this country cheated him over billions of dollars and assaulted Iraq with the same brutality and poison as the U.S. (in 1981 and later); the European Union is centered on Paris and it is now clear that this EU is simply Napoleonic in the true sense of the word.

Dear Henry, I doubt Britain is the world's illuminati heardquarters, for I have strong arguments in support for the “French Connection.” Mano Dayak, the poor desert guide who fought the French in Niger and was allegedly killed – along with journalist Hubert Lassier -- by the French secret service in 1995, wrote that there’s no hope in the ever dark sky of Paris. While putting down this, I am listening to Bonnie Tyler singing on You Tube. She's singing « I was Lost in France »… I can’t help but say to her: “My dear Bonnie, it’s the whole world who’s lost in France."

Amy said (March 23, 2009):

I believe that G-d gave us the laws for good reasons. The laws are there to protect our health (mental and physical), safety and happiness. It is against G-d's laws to commit incest, maybe it was necessary in the beginning but now it is "NOT OK!".

Abhor what is wicked and cling to what is good!
Keep up the good work and keep on fighting the fine fight! These monsters need to be exposed!

Jim said (March 23, 2009):

This incest business could easily start to get out of hand, but is also quite ancient. The Talmud allows a woman to have sexual intercourse with her son as long as he is less than nine years old, (Steinsaltz Talmud vol. 19, p 13, Sanhedrin 69b.); so it is rabbinically permissible. Most Jews, not up on their Talmud, would probably be surprised and distressed at this. There is, of course, nothing like that in Christian holy writ.

Taimur said (March 23, 2009):

This was very disturbing to read. Ironically I made a sarcastic comeback to homosexuality on the same lines (if homosexuality is biologically ok then you'd cheer for incest next?) and now to see it becoming a reality is horrifying.

As a Muslim I find the single minded devotion of Hollywood and US Televison to "intimacy" disgusting. This is humanity at its lowest.

Not only is intimacy outside of marriage an attack on nuclear families but an attack on the mental and emotional well being of all members of society. An overdose of sexuality harms normal human relations where there can be no normal interaction between a man and a woman or for that matter between any two adults- without intimacy coming into the picture. It truly is disgusting.

Skip said (March 23, 2009):

This lack of morals is caused by “those who say they are Jews, but are not, but do lie” as Jesus Christ said in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9. They have taken over the world by proxy and they are the “Great Whore” of Revelation 17 that is located “in the great city where our Lord was crucified” that sits on seven mountains, that Jerusalem sits on. It is the Babylonian Occult Religion the “so called Jews” picked up when they spent 70 years in Babylon. Babylon is the great sin of Jewish Zionism and Christian Zionism. They are the first and second beasts of Revelation 13.

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Bernard said (March 23, 2009):

your most recent commentary is quite timely. It looks like Romania is
set to de-criminalize incest- ostensibley to better fit in with the E U.

Romania weighs decriminalizing consensual incest
The Associated Press - ‎Mar 21, 2009‎
Currently all forms of incest in Romania are punishable by up to seven years in prison. But Romania's Justice Ministry suggests the new legislation would ...

INCEST IN ROMANIA Government decriminalises act - ‎Mar 19, 2009‎
Romania is set to decriminalise incest between consenting adults. Instead of prosecution, authorities will offer counselling to offenders. ...

Jessica said (March 22, 2009):

Donald Trump was the first celebrity to come out and confess that he wasn't attracted to Angelina Jolie or any woman who has been with that many men. He specifically brought up the time she tongue kissed her brother. He also said that Rosie O'Donnel, the revered lesbian, was disgusting. Donald Trump calls in to the talk radio a lot and supports Christian conservatives and I have a hunch he's been fighting the New World Order. Angie's Dad, Jon Voight, openly admits to abusing Angie. His shame and embarrassment over how his kids turned out may be the reason why he is also a staunch conservative now. He said this:

"The Democratic Party, in its quest for power, has managed a propaganda campaign with subliminal messages, creating a God-like figure in a man who falls short in every way," he wrote in the Washington Times Monday.
"The Democrats have targeted young people, knowing how easy it is to bring forth whatever is needed to program their minds," he wrote, comparing Obama's campaign with the "Marxist propaganda underlying the so-called peace movement" in the 1960s.
Voight theorizes that "Obama has grown up with the teaching of very angry, militant white and black people: the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, William Ayers and Rev. Michael Pfleger" who "will gain power for their need to demoralize this country and help create a socialist America" if he is elected.

What doesn't make sense is how Rupert Murdoch could own Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage and yet be responsible for promoting incest and everything conservatives are against. After reading your break down of the old U.S.S.R, patriarchy for the leadership and feminism for the slaves. Jim and I speculated that there was different propaganda for the different class levels. We speculated that the elite ruling class put out Christian conservative propaganda for the leadership families. And at the same time the elite are putting out liberalism to the slave class.

Dan said (March 22, 2009):

It's been common knowledge to the general public in the States, at least since after WWI, all along that the royal families and aristocracies of Europe and Britain intermarry to the point of inbreeding. I recall we learned that even in grade school. I don't know whether that's in the approved curriculum of Crown commonwealth countries, who are obliged to respect the royals of England.

When I minored in socio-cultural anthropology, we were told more detail which the general public aren't so informed about. It turns out that where you have a royalty class, that is, lines of power passed down generationally in families, in all such cultures whether 'civilized' or 'primal', invariably the 'taboo forgiveness' for that class includes what's ruled incest to their non-aristocrat population.

The practice was done not only to keep property and power tightly held withing a tiny elite ruling caste, but in each of those cultures there was an esoteric belief system that they thought they had superior qualities of a divine nature. In Europe it was the concept of 'Divine Right' as the royalty were thought to have special blood in touch with the supernatural diety. In the Roman and Egyptian they believed the bloodline was descended from a god mating with a human female concubine. Both Leonides of Sparta, and the Roman Emperor Commodus claimed descent from the Son of Zeus, Hercules.

Because they believed these things, incest was always deliberately held exclusive to the elite class in all those cultures. It was a heavy taboo for the people.

So the question is, why are they 'mainstreaming' this particular deviancy now in our western post-modern culture?

It seems unlikely adults will be thrilled by such images as the sexy pop stars incestuously humping each other The propaganda is probably as fake as alleged super celebrity marriages which run like soap operas on the tabloid covers at every checkout line - I don't even know who Brad Pitt is supposed to have gotten pregnant this year.
It's my understanding of Hollywood's public relations development that the first public relations marriages were done to cover the fact that so many movie actors were homosexuals.

The emphasis of the public relations has done a one-eighty degree flip since then. Initially it was to make the Illuminati cult celebrities appear to lead the same wholesome lives as the boy and girl next door. Now the op is to make little kids in the checkout line get the impression that the boy and girl next door are 'doin' it' and not only that, they're brother and sister.

Fabian Socialist Crown Charted social engineering strategist Lord Bertrand Russell wrote extensively on 'scientific' methods of social engineering through the public schools toward the ruling class goal of destroying the nuclear family of the 'commoners'. He understood and wrote that the further before puberty children could be encouraged to experiment with sex with each other that forming mature love bonds with anyone as an adult would be impossible for that person.

There has already been a pandemic of teen and pre-teen sex outside the home for decades with catastrophic effects on stability and sanity of families to cope with, and generatons of emotionally arrested people as a result. But when that happens to a little girl or boy outside the home at least the possibility of family support is intact.

One can easily see that if child experimentation' prompted by toxic propaganda on magazine racks in grocery store lines and on television and music videos occurs inside the home between siblings, the damage to the family is internal, and thus infinitely more difficult to resolve as a family.

Henry Makow received his Ph.D. in English Literature from the University of Toronto in 1982. He welcomes your comments at